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This interview was done with Cliff Roman of The Weirdos on 12/5/03 before their show at the El
Rey Theatre in Los Angeles, CA. The interview was conducted by MXV and Bob.
For those not in the know, The Weirdos were one of the very first, and very
best, punk rock bands from Los Angeles back in the '70s. They have been active
off and on over the years and have just released "We Got the Neutron Bomb:
Weird World Volume 2" on Frontier Records, which is a collection of old
and unreleased material.
mxv: OK, first off who is in the lineup of The Weirdos tonight?
OK, original band members John Denny, my vocalist. Dix Denny,
John's little brother, is my other guitarist. And me, I'm my other guitarist.
Zander Schloss on bass.
mxv: Zander played with you guys in 1990 on that tour.
He's a Weirdo, yep. We always say if you do a show with us
you are a Weirdo. So he's a Weirdo. He's mainly known for being with the Circle
Jerks. And he was an actor.
mxv: He played Kevin in Repo Man!
Yeah, he was in Repo Man, a classic movie. So we
got Zander with us. He's just a phenomenal, incredible, musician and an
excellent bass player too for us, he's really good. And on drums we're
playing with Shawn Antium. He played with us over the weekend in Seattle
and Portland, so now he's a Weirdo. Shawn's been playing drums in bands
in the L.A. area for awhile now, and he's an incredible drummer.
mxv: What happened to Nicky Beat?
Nicky was our first drummer and Nicky's been, he played with
us for a year and a half, and left the band, then played in other bands. He
from time to time plays shows with us but this time wasn't available for our
tourettes (laughter). That's what we call them, tourettes. A tourette is a weekend
jaunt to anywhere we can reach by a plane for a weekend and play for a weekend.
mxv: It's been about 10 years since Weird World Volume
One came out...
No, no...
mxv: OK, how long has it been?
It's been about 13 years! (laughter)
mxv: I was gonna say, I know it has been at least 10 (laughter
all around). Why the long delay between that one and volume two?
Ummmm... I don't know (laughs). I don't know man.
Bob: Life happens. There's no plan or design.
So volume three is coming out in, oh..., 2015. (laughter)
mxv: Well, what finally spawned volume two to come out?
A couple years ago it was I think a year, or a few months,
before our 25th anniversary. I thought "oh, let's do a compilation". It wasn't
going to be a volume two, it was just gonna be, well it had been so long since
anything had been out, I didn't even know if anyone even knew about volume one.
Apparently it has been listed in the top 50 greatest punk rock albums and it
is just a compilation.
mxv: Well your other stuff has been out of print off and
on for so long that it was all anyone could get.
Right, and it had most of the good stuff on there. So
the plan was lets do a real cool Weirdos, put all of our best songs on
there. It just evolved, we missed the deadline for our 25th anniversary
so that's why it's our 26th. It came out in time for our 26th anniversary.
So then we thought why don't we just make it part of a collection like
Weird World Volume One.
mxv: After your tour in 1990, you kind of vanished. What has everyone been up to all that time and did
you play any shows between that tour and now?
A couple years ago we played on the closing night of a gallery
show at Track 16 Gallery in Santa Monica...
mxv: The forming show?
Yeah, the forming show. It's an art gallery and they did a
show with set lists, photos, record sleeves, flyers, clothing, posters, guitars...
mxv: Wasn't there some clothing from you guys? I went to see that when it was
there.
Yeah. And they put our stuff, we had so much stuff, they used
the main wall for The Weirdos. They had our banners, photos, my guitar - the
old Voxx guitar I used to play and it took up this whole big wall. It was up
for a couple months and it was closing, in the summer of 2000 I think. So they
organized a closing night show where the bands would play a few songs. They
had us down there, they had Devo down there, X, Go Gos, all those guys. They
kept saying, "stand by". All these bands go up ahead of us, and they saved us
for last. We came on, we only played three songs, and we just brought the house
down. So that was our one appearance in years. A few months after that, we played
at the Viper Room in L.A. on the Sunset Strip for a benefit for Keith Morris
of the Circle Jerks. He was very ill. It was X and The Weirdos. We only played
like four songs, just a short set. We probably could have played longer but
it just came together really quick. In all this time, now that we're playing
in L.A., it's been, I think the last time we played in L.A. where you can go
to a venue and see us do a full set, I'm sure it must have been 13 years ago.
You know we don't even think about that. You're not the first guy to ask that.
We are just like here right now and that's all we're concerned with.
bob: What do you besides this band?
mxv: What are your real life careers?
I'm a plumber (laughter), no I'm just kidding. I'm a math
teacher at a middle school.
mxv: Do your students know you are a punk rock superstar?
Some of them do. You know that movie that's out, School
of Rock, I'm the real thing (laughter).
mxv: What do the other guys in the band do when they aren't a Weirdo?
They are musicians, and artists.
mxv: Is there any more material recorded and not released?
Will we ever see a volume three?
There is material that we have in the can like old demos and
live stuff and rehearsal tapes. We have all that kind of archival stuff. There
is still some tracks from our old records that have not come out on cd yet.
A volume three? Yeah we'd like to do one.
mxv: Will we see it sooner than 13 years?
Yeah, sure.
mxv: Will you do it with Frontier again?
Sure, yeah, they treat us right.
mxv: Who was the very first lineup of The Weirdos?
The very first lineup was myself, John Denny, Dix Denny
and Dave Trout. It was just four of us, no drummer. Dave Trout played
bass, Dix and I played guitar and John sang. That was our original lineup.
mxv: How long after you got together that you put out that first single. It was the Dangerhouse one right? Or was it the Bomp one?
It was the Bomp one. Destroy All Music came out in September
of 1977. We started playing in April of 1977 so it took about 5 months.
mxv: How long after that did the Dangerhouse single come out then?
That came out in January or February of 1978, so almost another
5 months.
mxv: How did you come about doing records with those guys, both Bomp and Dangerhouse?
Before I even started The Weirdos, I used to subscribe
to Greg Shaw's magazine. I used to love that magazine cause it had articles
on The Standells and The Seeds and all these cool bands. This was like
early '70s and I'd go and look for their records, collecting old records
back then. They weren't that old, just a few years old back then I guess.
(laughter). Well greg shaw, I think somehow I got his number and called
him up, or got someone to do it, so that's how we hooked up with him.
We used to go down to his record store, he had a Bomp record store. When
the punk scene in L.A. started happening he put out a bunch of records.
He did a Stooges single, and an album. He did The Zeros, Devo, The Weirdos,
a bunch of groups. Dangerhouse happened a little later on, it was just
like guys in the scene that got together. Black Randy was one of the guys
involved, there was a bunch of guys, there was a guy named Bob Dead. There
was a guy in The Screamers, David Brown, Pat Garret who was the drummer
in The Randoms and The Dils for awhile. It was great because we were on
the label, The Deadbeats, Bags, X, Weirdos, Alleycats, Dils, Avengers,
Eyes, The Weirdos, (laughter), and Black Randy. It was great. Those records
are great. So that was why we jumped on, we just did single deals, that
was what everyone did back then, they just put out singles. No one did
albums. Everyone wanted to do albums. Not everyone had an album's worth
of material but we did, we could have gone in and done an album easily
but when we recorded Destroy All Music we were ready to go and record
an album. People approached us, but everything always fell through. We
didn't know, we didn't know what the hell we were doing. I was sitting
there reading this book, "the business of music" it is this big tome.
I would sit in my apartment and read it, I didn't know anything about
the music business. I'd flip to the page with the contracts and go, "what
the hell is this, I can't even read it." (laughter).
mxv: Was there contracts when you did those records, or
was it just your friends saying "hey I'll put out a record"?
Yeah we always had agreements with people, we'd type something
out. Those are collectors items now, I could probably sell our old contracts
on ebay.
mxv: Did you ever think in your wildest imagination that some 20 years
later people would be paying big money for your Dangerhouse single on ebay?
Um, no. But you know what? Not too long after we did the Dangerhouse
single, maybe in the mid '80s, maybe eight years or so later. Our Dangerhouse
single was selling for 200 dollars at swap meets back then.
mxv: Someone ended up bootlegging it too.
Yeah, I'm sure, you know.
mxv: So if you had all these song written, why when you did the album for Bomp was it only 6 songs?
Who What When Where Why?
mxv: Yeah
Well that was self-financed. So we had enough money to go
in and do six songs. We did a 12" mini LP I guess you'd call it. We made up
a new format you know. Destroy all music was a mini EP, a 7" with three songs
on it, a mini EP. They used to put out 12" singles right. So we thought why
don't we do a 12" EP, which a lot of bands did that back then.
mxv: Also wasn't it around then that stores were moving 12" vinyl easier than 7" and the markup was a little bit better?
Yeah and the thing was to do color vinyl, and odd sizes. The
Dickies did a 10". I don't think we ever did that, ours were just black.
Black is kind of a cool color (laughter).
mxv: Who came up with the name, The Weirdos, and why?
I think I came up with it. It was because everyone we
knew used to call us Weirdos. We'd be walking around with our long overcoats.
Everyone had long hair, we had short hair. Everyone was listening to Journey
and whatever, I don't know, all that stuff. We were listening to Eddie
Cochran, and Iggy Pop and the Stooges, other stuff you know.
mxv: Do you think The Weirdos don't get enough recognition
compared to other bands from the time such as The Germs?
Yeah!
mxv: You guys gave them their first show basically and they became one of the most infamous
bands...
When we gave them their first show. We had already done
a few shows before then, maybe we played two or three nights before then.
We ran into this band who said "yeah we're The Germs". It was Bobby Pyn,
it wasn't Darby Crash. I asked John if he would put them on the bill cause
it was just us and The Zeros about to do a show a few days later. We didn't
know them, didn't know what they sounded like, we just thought they looked
cool. Bobby Pyn looked cool, but he was with these two chicks and a guy
with a big afro. We thought the name was good. It was one of our names,
the names we had on our original list for band names. We had The Zeros
on that list too. When The Germs played that first show, they are standing
on the stage, there are three people in the audience, two of them were
their friends. They were like standing there and they didn't even have
any songs. Pat Smear knew a Queen and a David Bowie song. Darby just starts
smearing peanut butter on him and that was their show.
mxv: That was the one that got recorded for that album
that came out?
No, that was later. This was before that. I know that
Bomp record says it is their first show. Maybe it was their first real
show you know. They didn't last too long at the show they played with
us at the Orpheum Theatre. The theatre owner was having a fit and said
"I'm gonna stop the show you better pull the plug on this guy". So we
ushered him off the stage. They weren't playing, back then it wasn't "Darby
Crash" and they weren't doing "Lexicon Devil" and "Forming"
and all that stuff, it wasn't even that. Yeah, we never got, you know,
now it is like, L.A. punk rock, The Germs, whatever. Now, maybe because
were doing these shows now and have the CD out... It's like, he's dead,
Darby's dead, so The Germs are never going to play again, Tomata died,
so The Screamers are not gonna play, so it is like, who is left?
mxv: Even in that book, which they titled after one of your songs, you didn't get nearly as much coverage as some of the other bands.
Oh that's right, isn't that funny.(laughter)
Bob: you do get a lot of respect in there though.
mxv: They did say you were the best L.A. band but
I was surprised by just how little they wrote about you in there.
There is a new book coming out that is takes the title of
another one of our songs, Destroy All Music. It is on The Weirdos, The Screamers,
The Germs and The Zeros. The first four bands.
mxv: Who is writing that one?
David Jones. That is gonna be an incredible book, it is coming
out soon.
mxv: Did you like the neutron bomb book?
Um, well the best part about it I think, my favorite part
about the book is the title. (laughter). There is some good reading in it, you
know.
mxv: Was it fairly accurate? I know that some people like Robbie Fields say it is grossly
inaccurate.
Uh....I don't know. I think a lot of people, they drink,
they waited too long to write the book and all these people have taken
drugs and drank a lot and their brain cells that hold memory, have gotten
a little fuzzy.I think I'd concur with Robbie Fields about most of it.
(laughter) Some people like it, they think it is a good read you know.
Bob: When is this new book you mentioned
coming out?
Pretty soon, hopefully by next year, he has it pretty well
wrapped up.
mxv: How did you guys get into punk rock in the first place, and did you ever
think that it would have such staying power and even be co-opted by society with
fashion and such?
I had a hankering it was coming. I just knew. We saw The Ramones,
and we had their album and we were reading about The Clash and the Sex Pistols,
Generation X and The Damned but never heard them. Rodney would be talking about
them, even before he played their records and stuff. I just, John and I, we've
known each other since high school, and our main topic of conversation for years
was staring a band. I knew John would be the singer. He was just naturally one
of these guys, you just knew when he was on stage he'd be the singer, he was
very charismatic. I wanted to play guitar. I wanted to bang on a guitar. Everyone
I knew played guitar you know, and were virtuosos. I just played. My first guitar
was a piece of wood with some strings on it and a pickup that I borrowed from
a friend of John's with broken knobs. It was a home made guitar and it barely
stayed it tune. I wanted to learn to play guitar so I went to this music store
and this hippy guy, you know, he had a gold top Les Paul, and one day I asked
if I could play it and he was like "No!" (laughter). He's teaching me all these
chords like F sharp augmented minor 7th to A dimished seventh ninth.
bob: Well you're a math teacher, you know what all that
means right?
I already had studied music formally. I knew how to
write music, read music, how to play sax and piano and I'd studied harmony,
I'd compose music for my high school stage band and was in the stage band.
So I'm sitting there with this guy and I'm like "teach me gloria, teach
me wild thing, teach me pinball wizard..." Any song that had "braaaangggg".
This was years before I started The Weirdos, but that was what I wanted
to play. When we'd get together with friends who had equipment,everyone
would be sitting there, the virtuoso guitarist, and we'd all be kids and
they were like, the girls liked those guys with long blonde hair who could
play Buffalo Springfield and Crosby Stills and Nash songs. I'd be like
"let me play that" and I'd turn up the volume and they'd be "no, turn
it down!" (laughter) So that's where I was at. So then I bought a guitar
and just started teaching myself, playing what I liked. I never played
along with records and learned like Led Zeppelin or Hendrix or anything
like that. I was always writing songs, right off the bat. I was just strumming,
writing songs, and had tape recordings and John would come over and we
weren't a garage band, we were like a living room band. Then I got serious
and I started writing some songs. I wrote six or seven songs with lyrics
and everything and John was like "wow". I got together with my friend
Dave Trout, who I knew from when I was going to Cal Arts, who played bass,
we went to his living room. John brought over his brohter, Dix, who could
play flawless Jimmy Page riffs, and Hendrix and stuff like that, and were
were like "he's pretty good, let's get him and add a little slickness
to it". (laughter). We had a rule, no leads, no guitar solos, but then
Dix came up with these great lines and we're like "that's in, forget that
rule". The songs were short, they were fast, the lyrics were kind of minimal.
I was anti-poetry. It's not poetry, they're lyrics. Like "Do the
dance". We have a song, "Do the Dance", and that was the
lyric "do the dance, do the dance, do the dance yeah", and that was the
lyric, that was it. Now that is not poetry, it was just "do the dance"
you know. To me, the lyrics were just, the words were almost like a visual
thing, they could have been anything, it didn't really matter. The way
I write songs is I come up with a title first, and flesh it out from there.
mxv: Speaking of "Do the Dance", any plans to do a proper
studio version of that song?
Yes, in fact one of our plans is when we do Weird World
Volume 3 is to actually record do the dance and maybe a few other songs
that were not properly recorded.
mxv: How did that Adulthood single come about,
that was just the Denny brothers?
That was them just doing, for that the recording studio was
like in the service porch of their house.
mxv: Was that after The Weirdos?
No, that was when we were still active. We have to wrap this
up, we're running behind...
mxv: OK, final question, and since The Skulls are playing
with you... Has Punk rock paid the bills?
No, punk rock does not pay all the bills, maybe a couple small
bills. (laughter)
The Weirdos Vinyl Discography
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